The Holy Rosary in traditional form, no Luminous mysteries
The Holy Rosary in traditional form with no Luminous mysteries. I have decided to compile the Rosary in it’s traditional form without the Luminous mysteries that Pope John Paul recommended in his APOSTOLIC LETTER Rosarium Virginis Mariae dated October 16th 2002. But before I go any further, let me explain why I did this.
The Church that Jesus Christ established is a Hierarchical Church, with Jesus being the Head, then the Apostles (with the bishop of Rome being first among equals), then Cardinals/Priests then Deacons and then the laity. This order of rank comes from our Lord Jesus himself. This was clearly known even as the Church was starting to take shape, for when Mary Magdalene found the Tomb empty, “She ran and went to Simon Peter and the other disciples”, notice Peter is first, and the other disciples. When Peter and the other disciple both ran to the tomb, the other disciple reaches the tomb first but waited for Peter. In the Acts of The Apostles, chapter 2, verse 14, “But peter, standing with the Eleven, lifted up his Voice and addressed them”,. Whenever the Apostles are listed or numbered in Scripture, Peter is always first. But it was when Jesus gave Peter the “Keys to the Kingdom of Heaven” that it solidifies the Church a Hierarchy. So, the Catholic Church, the one true Church established by Jesus Christ is Hierarchical, always has been. This is very important when dealing with the rubrics of the Church and most especially of the Mass. Using the Mass as an example; the main focal point is the Eucharistic Liturgy (The Holy Sacrifice of the Mass). This comes from our Lord Jesus Himself because He commanded it. It was not a suggestion or a recommendation but a commandment by God Himself.
So the words and form of the Eucharistic Liturgy come from our Lord Jesus and then through the Church. (1 Corinthians 10:14-22). So, a layman, Priest or Bishop cannot change the Mass because the Mass comes from the Church, which comes from Jesus the Christ. Another example would be, the now very common, holding of hands by the congregation during the “Our Father”. Many Churches these days feel compelled to require the congregation to hold hands but this is wrong! The General Instruction of the Roman Missal (GIRM) says nothing of requiring the faithful to hold hands. If the Church does not require it, by who’s authority is the faithful being asked to obey? This is what is known as the “tail wagging the dog” and many Priests and sadly Bishops seem to think that the Mass comes from them, a wicked thing that comes from the Devil himself because it breaks the unity that our Lord prayed for. If individuals want to hold hands during the “Our Father”, there is nothing stopping them, it is only when the individuals require it of other individuals that it becomes anti-hierarchical.
It is with this knowledge that I decided to put the Traditional Rosary in a format that is downloadable and printable. It was very difficult to find how to pray the Rosary before the Luminous Mysteries were added. Every avenue I found seemed completely fixated on the fact that the Luminous mysteries were required when the opposite is true. Not only is it not required, but I dare say it is best not to include them. It is widely reported that Pope John Paul added the Luminous Mysteries in 2002 in his APOSTOLIC LETTER Rosarium Virginis Mariae, and this is a true statement. What is not widely reported is that it is completely optional. Not only that, it is up to the individuals whether they wish to include the added mysteries or not. Here is the quote from section 19 where he adds the proposed addition; “I believe, however, that to bring out fully the Christological depth of the Rosary it would be suitable to make an addition to the traditional pattern which, while left to the freedom of individuals and communities, could broaden it to include the mysteries of Christ’s public ministry between his Baptism and his Passion.” 
You may read the entire Apostolic Letter here: http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/john_paul_ii/apost_letters/documents/hf_jp-ii_apl_20021016_rosarium-virginis-mariae_en.html
The Pope was not speaking “Ex Cathedra”, this is not a Dogmatic Constitution, it was a recommendation. Tradition tells us that St. Dominic, around 1221 AD, gave us the Rosary in its current form from a vision he had of the Blessed Virgin Mary. (Minus the Luminous Mysterious) In the Apparitions of Our Lady in Fatima, our Mother tells the children that she is the “Lady of the Rosary”, the Virgin Mary. In 1925, December 10th, Sister Lucia received another apparition by the Child Jesus and the Virgin Mary at her convent. There she asked for reparation for all of the blasphemies and ingratitude by ungrateful men;
- For five months, on the first Saturday, confess
- Receive Holy Communion
- Recite the Rosary
- “keep me company for 15 minutes while meditating on the
fifteen mysteries of the Rosary, in spirit of reparation.”
“I promise to assist them at the hour of death with all of the graces necessary for the salvation of their souls” Here, our Lady clearly indicates that she requires “fifteen mysteries”, not twenty but fifteen. Pope John Paul II did not require twenty mysteries he only recommended the additional, so where is the authority coming from that we must pray the Luminous Mysteries when our Lady clearly states fifteen?
To find out more about the apparitions at Fatima, please go here: http://fatima.org
Also, here is a blog post that makes some good points regarding Mary’s Psalter and the History of Mary’s Psalter. http://www.seattlecatholic.com/article_20021108_The_Twenty_Mysteries_of_the_Rosary.html
Indulgences attached to the Rosary
According to The Handbook of Indulgences A plenary indulgence is granted when the rosary is recited in a church or oratory or when it is recited in a family, a religious community, or a pious association. A partial indulgence is granted for its recitation in all other circumstances. It has become customary to call [one set of mysteries] the “rosary” also. Concerning this customary usage then, the following norms are given regards a plenary indulgence.
- The recitation of [one set of mysteries] is sufficient for obtaining the plenary indulgence, but these five decades must be recited without interruption.
- Devout meditation on the mysteries is to be added to the vocal prayer.
- In its public recitation the mysteries must be announced in accord with approved local custom, but in its private recitation it is sufficient for the Christian faithful simply to join meditation on the mysteries to the vocal prayer.
- In the Eastern Churches where recitation of the Marian rosary as a devotional practice is not found, the patriarchs can establish other prayers in honor of the blessed Virgin Mary which will have the same indulgences as those attached to the rosary, (e.g., in the Byzantine churches, the Akathist hymn, or the office Paraclisis). (79-80)
Sermon from October 2nd 2016: New Mass to New Rosary
UPDATE: The Vatican has completely changed their website and all links are broken! You can still see the original website on http://archive.org/web/ Just copy the links above and paste them into their search engine.
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One thing I find interesting about the Rosary is the Fatima prayer. Here we are presented with the traditional way to say the Rosary. Also, what grabbed me is the statement that it was difficult to find any information on how to say the Rosary before JP-II’s addition of the Luminous Mysteries.
In my Family Bible (one of the big “stately Bibles” Douey Rhimes Translations published in the 1960s), there were instructions on how to say the Rosary. I noted that the Fatima Prayer is never mentioned (I never even heard of it until about five years ago). I don’t say the Luminous mysteries or the Fatima Prayer when I say the Rosary.
You are correct, the Fatima Prayer is not required as per the 1962 Missal, anything before or after the three Mysteries is devotional and there by optional. Being Portuguese and a believer in the apparition the prayer makes sense to me and it did come directly from our Lady.
What harm is it to pray more.? In these times we are living in, God is giving us more graces. We need more prayers for those who say no prayers, if we are going to be so precise on what is written, why have we changed the only prayer our Lord has left us with, the “Our Father”, our Lord said forgive our debts not trespasses ! The two words have two totally different meaning.
So many apparitions have happen, such as The Fatima apparitions, which i don’t think they are recorded in the Bible, What if we had ignored our Lady’s request’s.
The sad thing is I am a Legion of Mary member, and I have been trying to have the Fatima Prayer included in our Rosary at our meetings, but at one time the message came back to us from our Curia “If you include the Fatima Prayer at your meetings, you will no longer be affiliated with the L.O.M., how very sad is that. I am still trying to have it included. My next step is Dublin.
You would need to speak up and tell him who gave us this prayer. God bless
I believe founder of L.O.M. Frank Duff would have done his best to include it.
By the way I also include St Gertrude’s Prayer for the holy souls after each decade.
Joana, I agree with you and I love praying in Latin, love Tradition and love the Latin Mass. There’s absolutely no harm in praying the Luminous Mysteries, regardless what one thinks of the legitimacy or character of JPII. Who matters is Jesus and he did not skip living the Mysteries included in those Luminous Mysteries, which are some of the very greatest in His life, including the Holy Eucharist, which is His most real and total Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity and His sacrifice on the Cross, all real and present again.
Leaving the Eucharist out of the Rosary for extremist nitpicking? No way!!! If the Holy Mother Mary mentioned the “15 Mysteries” it is because that was what was available and in no way indicated with her words that the number of Mysteries was an absolute number. If someone wants to leave out the 5 Luminous Mysteries, that’s their choice not mine. I prefer the whole Jesus. JPII could have been illegitimate, etc., etc. etc. but Jesus is not, and Jesus through the whole history of salvation has used a lot of misfits, the messed-up and big sinners for His Highest purposes. The biggest fruit of the Holy Rosary should be the same as with Mary: humility and the Glory of Jesus!
Phil, it has nothing to do with legitimacy or character of JPII, those things are irrelevant to the topic. No one has the authority or right to change something that is not theirs. The Holy Rosary comes from the Blessed Mother, neither you or I nor a Pope can change it.
Joao, given that there’s no chance I can see to reply to you with a “reply” sign, I’ll reply here. I mentioned JPII because some comments here use ad hominem attacks against JPII because he was the one who proposed, not imposed, the inclusion of the Luminous Mysteries. We know the Holy Rosary came from the Virgin Mary but where is the incontrovertible, verifiable, historical, legitimate evidence that she directly commanded and directly and clearly limited the Rosary to 15 Mysteries? I looked and looked and looked and could not find it.
Do you know where it is if it does in fact exist? I personally participated in an investigation about an alleged Marian apparition that ended not being authentic and the thing I disliked the most about the alleged visionaries was their stubborn hubris about pretending to talk for Our Blessed Mother saying things she never really said. Neither should we.
I’m with you, Joao, only praying what was given to us by Mary. 15. Anything added is added by man & to me, not Jesus. I’m traditional, pre Vatican II all the way….
Amen.
Amen and thank you!
Margaret, are you saying that we should or not honour Our Lady’s request at Fatima? I honour anything that She requested. Remember, “To Jesus, through Mary”.
But my question would be, why not pray the luminous mysteries? I don’t hear anyone telling me I must pray them, but why not? They’re beautiful. They allow us to meditate on other important moments in Christ’s life, most especially the Eucharist. And in the pope’s words, it’s “fitting”. I really don’t think that the Blessed Mother and JP2 are in opposition over this….
Because they wreck the 15 mysteries, break the tradition, are meaningless and finally, they were introduced by a false pope.
I totally agree with you sarah, every pope since vat 2 have been false popes. The smoke of satan entered the catholic church with the apostasy of vat 2. The devil is becoming stronger in his quest to destroy our Holy Mother church. We must pray for a true Vicar of Christ; a true successor of Saint Peter who will bring back our Holy church and Latin Mass and the true liturgy and traditions. Deo gratias Amen
Wow! Agree entirely with this comment and the next! It’s been a long time since I’ve agreed with two comments in a row. I make rosaries – haven’t in quite a while but hope to get back to it – but I would NEVER add JP2’s mysteries. Yes, he was a false pope, i.e, portraying himself as a “Marian” pope he never carried out Our Lady’s request to consecrate Russia with all the popes in the world, praised the U.N.! Something even non Catholic Trump condemned. Just hoping Trump is for real but I have serious misgivings.
Trump isn’t Catholic – he is ambivalent at best regarding religion. Just curious, why are people calling JP11 a false Pope & all subsequent pope’s?
I agree with you on that
You would need to pray a bit more and ask for forgiveness for that accusation. God bless
Oh my goodness! He was not a false Pope and there is no reason to shame the luminous mysteries ..you are shaming the meditating on Institution of the Holy Eucharist? Lord, have mercy! If you don’t wish to pray them, don’t but it is wrong what you say. Blessed Mother does not want us to fight over this. God bless you. Ave Maria..
“I really don’t think that the Blessed Mother and JP2 are in opposition over this…”
What we “think” is not relevant. What matters is that the Blessed Mother gave St. Dominic 15 Mysteries and instructed that the faithful meditate on the 15. St. Pope John Paul II only recommended the five additional. Had the Blessed mother wanted 20 mysteries, she would have said so. We don’t live by what we “think” about what God or the Blessed Mother said or did, but what in actuality was handed down to us from them.
Our Blessed Lady gave us FIFTEEN. Nothing should be added to that or taken away from it or else it is an insult to Our Blessed Lady.
Completely agree
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What mystery do you pray on Thursdays?
The three mysteries contain 150 Hail Marys to commemorate or replace the 150 psalms that monks used to pray with their beads.
To be specific the Rosary also known as Mary’s Psalter equates the Hail Mary’s said with the number of Psalms. It is not wrong in any way to say the luminous mysteries as a chaplet of its own in honor of those events of the Lords life, however Mary said to pray her Psalter and the rewards would be granted. So for me I pray the 15 mysteries and if I pray an additional with a group saying the Luminous mysteries I will gladly join in but I personally do not consider it a part of the Rosary with the attached promises it is an addition.
Hello Kim, it is a matter of obedience. The Rosary, like the Our Father, is a prayer that does not come from the Church but from Heaven. The Our Father comes from our Lord Himself and the Rosary comes from our Blessed Lady so the Church hierarchy has not authority to change what they did not give. Much like the Church has not authority to change the Gospel but only preach it. Further more, because its 150 Hail Mary’s correspond to the 150 Psalms of the Psalter adding another mystery breaks that link. I recommend you click on the link at the bottom of the post, it has more detail that I think you are looking for.
Pray for us all!
50 years later, I have finally found the path I was on prior to Vatican II. After much confusion, angst and frustration, I have come to know of the Congregation of Saint Gertrude The Great in West Chester, Ohio. Prior to that, I was a close follower of the SSPX…
You should try the version of the Fatima prayer in Latin that is promoted by the Fatima Center and Fr. Gruner, R.I.P.
O mi Iesu, dimitte nobis PECATTA nostra, líbera nos ab ignibus inferni, perduc omnes animas in caelum, praesertim maxime indigentes. Amen.
The second page has the prayers in Latin…
Hello and many thanks for this website!
I have prayed the ‘Mysteries of light’ on and off since their ‘introduction’ but from now on I will pray the traditional 15 as given by our Blessed Mother. I heard a priest explaining the 5 mysteries of light are a wonderful meditation on the life of our Blessed Lord and by all means can be prayed as a chaplet but are not part of the Holy Rosary only the traditional 15 are. So basically when one feels it would be good praying and meditating on the new mysteries go ahead but are not actually part of the Rosary.
Thank you for your your prayers.
Anthony
Anthony, I am sorry I did not see your post earlier, could not agree with you more!
This morning at Mass our freshly ordained priest told us that if we are distracted during prayer, perhaps we need to pause and reflect on what is distracting us. Fair enough. Perhaps that is something which requires our special attention. If we are praying the Rosary, and it isn’t doing anything for us, we should set it down and pray something else, as the Rosary is just a tool, and we are not required to pray the Rosary daily. He doesn’t.
After Mass I asked him, shouldn’t we then later pick the Rosary back up, and resume praying it? Aren’t people going to hear that they don’t need to pray the Rosary? No, says he, it is just a tool. That’s ok, the Rosary is just a tool. He did tell me he has other ‘consecrating to Mary prayers’ that he says, but he didn’t elaborate on what those were. I think, if given a choice, I’ll pick a different priest for confession. I find this unsettling.
Wow!! Douglas, I think you are right… I recommend you find yourself a good Priest that follows the traditional Latin Rite, best decision I ever made! http://www.latinritemass.net
Thank you for link! I have wanted the Douay-Rheims Bible but could not afford one right now. Now, I can read it online from your link…thank you so much! Christ be with you forevermore.
Joao, who are these priests celebrating the Traditional Latin Mass?
Douglas – he is correct. Saying the Rosary is entirely optional. All of it.
If you dig into the writings of the Doctors of the Church (St. Alphonus comes to mind most readily) – they will note that ALL saints (Yes, ALL) became saints not because of the Rosary, but because of Mental Prayer. (Rosary is one type)
The key to spiritual advancement (St. Alphonus, Thomas Aquinas, De Sales, etc etc) is mental prayer. They go so far as to say that spiritual advancement is impossible without it. Thats quite a statement indeed! It is THE number one devotion, ahead of the Rosary. De Sales actually makes this point crystal clear in The Devout Life.
Why?
Because only through mental prayer are you able to better participate in mass, meditate on the mysteries of the rosary, etc. Mental prayer leads you into ALL other types of prayer. It makes your ability to say the Rosary BETTER.
As Theresa of Avila and John of the Cross write, there are 9 levels of prayer. The Rosary is about level 1.5 because it is vocal and contemplative. But this is just the beginning of the spiritual life, and spiritual theology. They make a point of instructing people that prayer life is not simply about saying a certain number of rote prayers…its a conversation with the Trinity. Mental prayer is an interview with God.
Back on point – of course the Rosary is excellent and wonderful…but it is but one tool in a much larger toolbox. Of course we should say it daily if we can. Yes, Yes, Yes. Learn to say it as best you can.
But the Rosary is not an end. It is simply a means to draw closer to Christ.
And please don’t be unsettled if someone doesn’t say the Rosary, especially a priest. That priest might be a very devout and holy man. I pray he is. (There is a big difference between him telling you not to say it and him having a different devotion. He can still be very holy and devout.)
Take a look at De Sales and St. Alphonsus – and check out mental prayer. There is an outstanding book by TAN written by Dom Lehodey that details mental prayer.
Our blessed mother told the children at fatima to pray the rosary daily..as we all should be..those that say otherwise are wrong
Tim, Fatima is a PRIVATE revelation pertaining only to those hearing the message. We are not even required to believe in private revelations. Therefore, your statement is misguided. Personally, I love the rosary, but in no way am I required to recite it daily.
Carol, Fatima was NOT a “private” revelation, because it was a public revelation confirmed by a public miracle. That argument is often used by those who wish to diminish the importance of the message. As for you pressing the Rosary, our Lady never required anyone to say it, she asks.
I found tradcatknight.blogspot.com to be the best blog to go to if you are searching for the “true” teachings of the Catholic Church. Bishop LaFebvre who founded the SSPX (who are no longer following Bishop LaFebvre true teachings of the Catholic Church, but joining up with the Heretical Vatican II church, left it years ago because he could not be in union with heresy, and held to the true teachings of the Apostles given to them by Jesus. TradCatKnight, also left SSPX and now has a blog that tells us everything that is happening in the novus ordo church and giving us traditional prayers and locations of priests that are resisting Vatican II changes. In a state of necessity like we are in today and have been since Vatican II, we are not obligated to follow what is going on in the new church, to go to church where the true teachings have been watered down to nothing. We can no longer go to these and you will NOT find a real priest in the novus ordo mass anymore. It is also a mortal sin to go to one, we are endangering our souls, and causing scandal to others who are thinking that the Modernism being taught in the church is what Jesus taught. On TradCat you can also read proof of what the 3rd secret of Fatima really says from Lucia herself to priests in her life. And the Blessed Mother said we must Pray the Rosay every day for the conversion of Russia. Putin has already gone to Pope Francis and asked for the Pope to Consecrate Russia to Her immaculate heart and he said, NO. Francis is a modernist.
Canticles (Solomon) 6:9
Who is she that cometh forth as the morning rising, fair as the moon, bright as the sun, terrible as an army set in array?
Brothers and Sisters, I write to you in behalf of the Selfless Love and peace of the Union and Marriage of Jesus Christ and of His Sacred Heart and all the blessings that flow forth from It. In times of supposed uncertainty we have recourse to the Blessed Virgin Mary, Our Ark of Hearts. She is a powerful intercessor, who warns before the “Storm” and who the enemy fears very much. I recall reading in the Memoirs of an Anti-Apostle of how an “infiltrator Marxist” even recognized how powerful She is. This wolf, knew, without question, that when Mary is implored miracles happen. He further knew that it was Mary who could steer the Church out of the present crisis. He knew the Consecration of Russia to Her Immaculate Heart was vital to world peace hence why the enemy in the Vatican continues to ignore and tap dance around this command of heaven. Let us take a further look into Our Lady as this “One Woman Army”. She is terrible to behold (in a good way) and who will show no mercy to the enemy when the appointed time arrives.
The Intercession Of Our Lady invokes the Lord. And David arose and went, with all the people that were with him of the men of Juda to fetch the ark of God, upon which the name of the Lord of hosts is invoked… 2 Kings 6:2 Through Mary to Jesus. We implore the Immaculate Heart that we might come to a deeper understanding of the Sacred Heart of Christ. David arose to fetch the Ark and so too must we “actively seek” our Queen. She is the Guide of the Fortress of the Soul. We must seek Her out so that She might show us the path to His Sacred Heart which is found in the highest floor and most inward room in this Fortress where two hearts become One. Indeed She is a guide in this union of hearts (wills). Do not delay any longer and invoke our Lady.
The enemy has captured our Queen? And the ark of God was taken…1 Kings 4:11 Since Vatican II we can say the enemy “has taken” the Ark. The Modernists are the modern day Philistine’s. They have heard us singing aloud and the trumpets sounding. They have in a certain sense stolen Her from our camp. They now use the Blessed Virgin Mary in many cases to further the New Religion. From the “new” and “expanded” (luminous mysteries) Rosary of JP II to the latest false apparition sites around the world Mary is being “used”. However, these sites all lead back to erroneous doctrine. The enemy has captured Our Queen yet still so many “traditionalists” do not pray for Her return!
The Blessed Virgin Mary warns. So the ark of the Lord went about the city once a day, and returning into the camp, abode there. And Josue rising before day, the priests took the ark of the Lord, [13] And seven of them seven trumpets, which are used in the jubilee: and they went before the ark of the Lord walking and sounding the trumpets: and the armed men went before them, and the rest of the common people followed the ark, and they blew the trumpets. [14] And they went round about the city the second day once, and returned into the camp. So they did six days. Joshua 6:11-14 Upon meditating on this Scripture today I find it interesting that “trumpet sounds” are now being heard worldwide and why? Because precedence has been established in the Word that the trumpet sounds before the Ark then cometh the chastisement. It is a warning and although more than likely not supernatural in origin (trumpet sounds) this is still not a coincidence that God is allowing it. She goes before the chastisement to warn of the destruction coming. The Blessed Virgin Mary has been “circling the city” now for 6 days and the seventh day is soon coming wherein the trumpets will sound again (last time) and we shall shout and witness the New World Order fall. Some shall witness (after the fact) on God’s Day of Wrath, more specifically, the three days of darkness, O’ how mighty the true God is! Do you hear the trumpets O’ Islam? Communist? Marxist? Protestant? Jew? Modernist? We are circling “Jericho” like eagles letting the enemy know they and their new city of man are about to fall.
Our Lady goes before us into battle. And again he said: By this you shall know that the Lord the living God is in the midst of you, and that he shall destroy before your sight the Chanaanite and the Hethite, the Hevite and the Pherezite, the Gergesite also and the Jebusite, and the Amorrhite. Behold the ark of the covenant of the Lord of all the earth shall go before you into the Jordan. Joshua 3:10-11 It is not by human efforts that we will achieve the victory. For, although, wilst we work in and with the Blessed Virgin Mary, the source of this victory is above our pay grade. She has been given the victory by God Himself in these times and thus Mary, as Co-redemptrix, will yet again show the world that when “invoked” She can aide/help save humanity. She knows the war we must fight the battles. We point to her who in return shalst point to God. All glory goes back to the true and Living God! Mary’s simplicity and humility is like no other. Will you spread your wings of Faith and Hope and follow her lead for your own lives?
The Enemy Fears of Our Lady. And when the ark was lifted up, Moses said: Arise, O Lord, and let thy enemies be scattered, and let them that hate thee, flee from before thy face. Numbers 10: 35 We lift high our Blessed Queen “in veneration” and rightfully so. And when we do so the enemy scatters for he who wouldst hateth our Queen likewise hateth the King. The enemy (the devils) is not indifferent towards our Lady they are utterly distraught upon seeing Her. They tremble, they mutter and curse for Her heel is always standing on the neck of the serpent. The devil’s time is short and yet he will try to convince everyone that not only was the Fatima message not important but further he will tempt men into not believing in it at all. Why thence do you hide O’ enemy the truth of the third secret? The mighty seek a place in this world and yet it is Our Lady who helps us to break from this world. Do not fear the one who wilst lead you to the world fear succumbing to self that you might adjoin your heart to this world. Furthermore, watch the Church’s enemies soon flee in terror when the Sun dances for a second time! Thereis no bunker deep enough for them to hide in.
Nay, She is not a spectator in the battle. She is active and going before us bringing the house of the enemy down. Yet how few look to her as a priority for their own interior battles. Therefore, I must ask, “Do you have your weapon, the Rosary, drawn O’ Knight of Christ? Do you have on your armor, the Scapular, O’ Handmaids of Our Queen”? She is not a “last resort” or is the last line of defense She is our front line offense who takes it right to the enemy’s face. Our Lady is no pacifist and her eagles lay claim to her nest. Therefore, in faith circle the city in which you seek to overcome and watch Our Lady deliver! May the Immaculate Heart of Our Lady guide, protect and preserve your heart every day in this exile, Ave Maria!- Amen
“ONE DAY, THROUGH THE ROSARY AND THE SCAPULAR, SHE WILL SAVE THE WORLD.”
– St. Dominic’s Prophecy of the Blessed Virgin Mary, the Rosary and the Scapular, AD 1208
Genesis 7:14-15 (14)And the Lord God said to the serpent: because thou has done this thing, thou art cursed among all cattle, and the beasts of the earth: upon thy breast shalt thou go, and earth shalt thou eat all the days of thy life. (15) I will put enmities between thee and the woman, and thy seed and her seed: SHE WILL CRUSH THY HEAD, AND THOU SHALT LIE IN WAIT FOR HER HEEL.
RUN DON’T WALK AWAY FROM THE NOVUS ORDO MODERN CHURCH IF YOU WANT TO GET TO HEAVEN. THEY ARE ALL LIARS AFTER THE FATHER OF LIES!!! Pray the Rosary first every day and Our Lady will lead us to her Son and away from Lucifer. Do NOT read any books written today.
GO TO TRADCATKNIGHT.BLOGSPOT.COM and find out the truth. THERE IS NO REAL PRIESTS IN THE NOVUS ORDO CHURCH OR BISHOP OR POPE SINCE VATICAN II. EVEN POPE PAUL II WAS A MODERNIST.
I am right there with you!!!
You have said a lot here, and I think you are mostly spot on, although I may have a different opinion on a couple of things you said. Overall my own experience and prayers attest to the same, but more importantly, so do Scripture and many writings of the Church Fathers and Doctors, documents of the great Councils, and writings of some of the true and Holy Popes and others, who have forseen and confirmed these things.
We are surely in the end times, whether the final day will be tomorrow, next month, or in 50 or more years, we don’t know, but we must be prepared, and, as you so rightly say, Mary is our guide in the battle and our guide to Jesus Christ, Whom she first brought to us, by obedience to God, and to Whom she guides us, again in obedience. It’s just what she does.
We must follow her lead, and the Rosary is not optional, as much as naysayers and modernists would like to insist. If Mary has told us to pray it daily, who are we to disobey the Mother of God? To obey Mary is to obey God. Devotion to Mary is devotion to God; to disregard Mary, to a significant degree, to disregard God.
That all being said, without recourse to the Holy Mass in these end times, we have only recourse to Scripture, the living Magisterium, prayer, and Mary to keep directing us to God the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. I would like to ask how you are practicing your Sunday obligation without recourse to the Mass. There are only false “masses” available where I live, as there really are no true and valid priests left, so I am reading the Propers and the Common of the Holy Mass (using the pre-1945 St.Andrews Missal) to the best of my abilities, but I am uncertain that I am properly obeying and honoring God on Sundays with this. Since we have no visible Church hierarchy anymore in this longstanding interregnum, we are more or less on our own, just doing our best to read the Mass and to try our best to make the Act of Contrition and Spiritual Communion. How, besides the daily Rosary (and when I say that, I mean the full 3 Mysteries, of course, “Mary’s Psalter”) prayer and reading of Holy Scripture and the writings of saints, etc, can we strengthen ourselves for the battle since we have no actual Sacraments? What do you do?
I would love to talk with you further about these things. Can you please reply at your earliest convenience?
Thank you and God bless you.
In the Two Hearts of Jesus and Mary,
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Jeanmarie
Every thing you say is the truth. All Popes since vat 2 are anti popes. The Norvus Ordo is not Catholic but a man made Protestant religion. Only the Bishops and Priests ordained in the traditional Roman Rite of 2,000 years are true and genuine. I attend my local SSPX church where the Holy Latin Mass is said every day, 7 days a week. It nourishes my soul and we must keep on praying for our Holy Mother church, that she be saved from the intervention of Satan and modernism and freemasonary. Deo Gratias, Per omnia saecula saeculorem Amen.
Awesome ,May Our Lord bless you for this sharing
Sounds as if you’ll be told next that Mass is just a meal, and all this transubstansiation is all medieval hocus pocus! If I were you I’d find a more Traditional Church!
Send this priest the following;
https://www.rosarybay.com/files/ebook/Secret_of_the_Rosary.pdf
This is a wonderful book.
I purchased a bunch and have been giving it to family and friends.
https://www.tanbooks.com/index.php/secret-of-the-rosary-2891.html
If you use the discount code for your first order – NEWTAN40 – you get 40% off. I paid .65 cents per book. Well worth the price of saved souls…
God Bless.
Hi Dave, thanks for the tip, coupon code and answer to my prayer for which Rosary book to buy next. Thanks to your comment I bought one for each of my family members. You may be interested in a newly published, comprehensive book on the Holy Rosary entitled, “Champions of the Rosary”, by Fr. Donald Calloway. This book is fantastic, highly recommended, and in my humble opinion, a MUST-BUY if you’re interested in the Rosary of Our Blessed Virgin Mother in Heaven. The book is worth double or triple the price due to it’s extensive research, content and beautiful pictures of our Lady at the end of the book.
God bless,
Tito
P.S. Famous saints have been distracted (even falling asleep) while praying the rosary and they said don’t worry too much about it, just keep praying and bring your focus back to the rosary.
The Blessed Mother asked us to pray the Rosary daily. ‘If we don’t get anything out of it…’. the priest said. The real question is what are we putting into it, what devotion do we have to praying the Holy Rosary? What is it that we expect to happen to us without our devotion to it and our Lady? The Blessed Virgin said that there are many graces we will receive from praying her Rosary, and if you do a search you will find what those graces and promises are she made to us. I would do the same thing you did (or thought about doing) Douglas: change confessors.
Aww dear Douglas. The priest you mention must be a Norvus Ordo pastor who hasn’t been ordained in the Roman Rite. I only attend Holy Mass at my local SSPX church. The priests are ordained in the traditional Roman rite. I would never allow a Norvus Ordo pastor hear my confession or give me holy communion in the hand standing rather than reverently kneeling and without a paton placed under my chin to catch any falling particles of Christs substantiated body and blood within the consecrated host. Holy Communion in Novus ordo churches is the greatest sacrilege and just one of many liturgical abuses of the man made Novus ordo religion that reeks of Protestantism and dares to call itself Catholic. We must pray and say the Holy Rosary daily for the redemption of our once Holy Mother church. She must one day be triumphant like the Pheonix rising from the ashes.
Did not Our Lord say to Simon the fisherman and Apostle. “Thou art Peter and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it, and to thee do I give the keys to the kingdom of heaven. Deo gratias Amen
Amen! Amen! Amen!
Where can I purchase a rosary in traditional form
Hi Barbara, the rosaries themselves have not changed, only the way they are prayed. Any Rosary will do, preferably one that has been blessed though.
Hi Joao, thank you very much for your blog and Rosary PDF. I tried looking for the Rosary prayers and mysteries (without Luminous) the way that our Blessed Virgin Mary gave us, but couldn’t easily find it on the Vatican website. Your Rosary PDF is comprehensive and inspired, I truly enjoy it. By the way, my middle name is Joao. Thanks again and may God bless you.
Hello Tito, I am pleased you found my blog… it literally is the ramblings of my mind 🙂 Here is a little interesting note, shortly after I created the PDF file from PowerPoint, I accidentally deleted the original copy. That means I have no real way of modifying the document, it is now set in virtual stone!
The name Joao, is a good name! 🙂
hi! Joao
. how can I fine the original prayer guide now?the original rosary guide pls! tell were I can fine it.
Just click on the red PDF icon on this page…
Are you related to the Machado family that is cousins with the Gracie family?
Never heard of the Gracie family… What part of the world?
I think Mike was referring to the Gracie and Machado Jiu Jitsu family from Brazil.
Nice job on the pdf, exactly what I was looking for.
I think im traditional and light mystries dont go well with me as an inclution to the traditional rosary. For me its a no no. Id rather just do the chaplet than do mystries of light. And what happened to the traditional rosary, its so hard to get it these days!
The Rosary is most certainly a beautiful prayer, and it has become beautifully integrated in many customs of the Roman Church, but it is not a pillar of Catholicism. Eastern Churches (including Eastern Catholic Churches) have never upheld this practice (except through latinization), as the Rosary developed and spread after 1054 in Western Europe (after 1170 if you believe the pious story around St Dominic). In the Middle Ages, the Rosary was popularized in a context where most lay people could not read and thus could not pray the Hours. It was seen a good substitute to pray continuously.
If one finds himself spiritually uplifted by praying the Rosary, with 15 or 20 mysteries, then blessed be God. But let us not pretend that one form or another are the traditional prayer of the Church.
If you want to be traditional, then remember that the prayer of the Church has always been the Liturgy of the Hours — as it is called in the West. The Church had been praying it even before St Basil and St Jerome. If you don’t insist on being traditional, then please don’t take a superior tone to those who pray using 20 mysteries. If you follow, you will note that “traditionalists” vocal on this thread (SSPX, sedevacantists, etc.) are in fact very comfortable adopting new practices completely unknown to the first millenium of Christianity and presenting them as quintessential … so long as it hasn’t happened in the last century.
Lastly, to suggest that the Our Father (the prayer taught by Christ as recorded in Holy Scripture) is equivalent to the Rosary (a pious custom dating back to the Middle Ages) is completely heterodox. It suggests a complete misunderstanding of what Revelation is, at taught by the Catholic Church. Likewise, to suggest that the reported words of the Mother of God to the children of Fatima somehow changes Revelation and Divine Law is preposterous.
Remember, as Michael points out above, that the Rosary is a tool to unite with Christ … and if, rather, you get irritated by the Luminous Mysteries suggested by St John Paul II or bothered when some don’t add the Fatima prayer, then you are not using this tool properly.
You are not Catholic… why are you posting here? I can read right through your post!
Joao, you are mistaken. I am Catholic. Even if I were not, however, that would change nothing to the content I wrote above. I would be much more interested in reading a reasoned response to the points I raise rather than an attempt at discrediting my comments by pointing the finger at me.
I am from the Ukrainian Greek-Catholic Church — a Byzantine Rite Eastern Catholic Church in full communion with the Holy See, and the second-largest particular church (sui juris) in the Catholic Church (after the Roman Church).
If you are not willing to debate with me, you may choose to debate with the Catholic Encyclopedia — after all a good “Roman” source.
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/13001a.htm
“It remains here to distinguish the Christian Revelation or “deposit of faith” from what are termed private revelations. This distinction is of importance: for while the Church recognizes that God has spoken to His servants in every age, and still continues thus to favour chosen souls, she is careful to distinguish these revelations from the Revelation which has been committed to her charge, and which she proposes to all her members for their acceptance. That Revelation was given in its entirety to Our Lord and His Apostles. After the death of the last of the twelve it could receive no increment. It was, as the Church calls it, a deposit — “the faith once delivered to the saints” (Jude, 2) — for which the Church was to “contend” but to which she could add nothing. Thus, whenever there has been question of defining a doctrine, whether at Nicæa, at Trent, or at the Vatican, the sole point of debate has been as to whether the doctrine is found in Scripture or in Apostolic tradition. The gift of Divine assistance (see I), sometimes confounded with Revelation by the less instructed of anti-Catholic writers, merely preserves the supreme pontiff from error in defining the faith; it does not enable him to add jot or tittle to it. All subsequent revelations conferred by God are known as private revelations, for the reason that they are not directed to the whole Church but are for the good of individual members alone, They may indeed be a legitimate object for our faith; but that will depend on the evidence in each particular case. The Church does not propose them to us as part of her message.”
No, you are not a Catholic of any Rite! I know what you are…. I will leave your comments up just so people can see how deceivers operate….
Joao, your words are offensive. You write again that I am not Catholic, which is, and was meant to be, insulting. Perhaps you deny that Eastern Catholics are “true” Catholics, or perhaps you are saying that I don’t truly belong to an Eastern Catholic Church.
Either way, if this blog is meant for discussion rather than slander, I would ask that you explain what I have written that is wrong with justification from the Magisterium of the Church, rooted in Holy Scripture and Tradition, rather than attacking me personally. Even if you were convinced that my words were sinful, should you not practice love for the sinner and focus your anger at the sin?
Twice now you have replied, saying nothing of the content, and hinting that you “know” who/what I am. No doubt, I am a sinner — but a Catholic sinner.
Paradoxically, the prayer we Eastern Christians pray using prayer beads is the Jesus Prayer: Jesus, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner!
Hi – I am also a Byzantine (Ruthenian) Catholic. I don’t want to get involved with your argument with Pascal. Just wanted to say I found some good information in your post about the traditional form of the Rosary. May I suggest you look into the Eastern prayer called the “Akathist to Mary”? I think those who love the Rosary and Our Blessed Lady will find it beautiful and inspiring as well. God bless!
You are all sound so ridged and near Protestant, “I only believe what is written” First, to call Pope John Paul II would mean Christ failed to keep his promise of Hell not provailing over his church, would also me Catholic ARE NOT the True church because they now have a broken line of succession of Popes. Second you clearly don’t know the difference of Dogma vs discipline; even your preVatican II was was not the same as the original mass which did not use Latin. The mass has ALWAYS changed and evolved, the way mass is said can change, it has changed since the early church, but the dogma, the core belief of the mass, which is we receive the body and blood of Christ has NEVER changed. Look up church Dogmas and you will see NO POPE has ever denied them. I said Dogma, NOT discipline. So be preVatican II all you wish, but you will find your old mass was changed throughout the years. And the bigest thing you all miss when talking about Peter is him and his successors have ALWAYS had the right to loose and bind. But if we are being that stiff necked that preVatican II was wrong because the vestments were not what the early church wore and EVERYBODY wore white for service snd churches and satin glass need to go because service was done in catacombs and get rid of Latin, since the African church decided to make that language world wide. Stop celebrating Christmas, because it too wasn’t originally celebrated. Wake up! You been given a wonderful faith and you trample on it because a Pope or somebody does bad. Children of. Iseral did horrid things, dies that mean our Christ wasn’t born as a Jew because we should only think Judiasim was only true till after Moses died? Seriously you preVatican II people study the history of the mass and see how it has always changed. Don’t get books wrote by other people, get off your lazy butts and read the documents yourself
Agree.
Was there ever a time when the rosary was prayed without any mysteries at all? Was it ever simply prayed in reverence and thanksgiving to Our Lady? (With the Our Father on the large beads, the Glory Be on the chain preceeding it, and the Hail Mary on the small beads.)
I attended Catholic schools beginning around 1960 through early 70’s and this is how I remember it. Maybe I was sleeping but I don’t remember any mysteries, even though clearly the first mysteries were added at least by the 18th or 19th centuries. But does anyone know if these came after the original inception of the rosary?
Thanks!
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Thank you so much for this post, I’m new to Catholicism and praying the rosary and would like to pray the original rosary given to St. Dominic. Which mystery is to be prayed on Thursdays?
Hi, Thursdays is the Joyful Mysteries. Download the pdf and it will give you the days. Also, Sunday mystery will change at the beginning of Advent.
I agree no Luminous mysteries! An inspiration I wrote about along with a prompt/challenge on my blog. Please take a peek at https://myforever.blog/2020/12/18/the-beginning-of-an-end/
There is a difference with five and fifteen decades said daily.
The rosary shall be a powerful armor against hell, it will destroy vice, decrease sin, and defeat heresies. It will cause virtue and good works to flourish; it will obtain for souls the abundant mercy of God; it will withdraw the hearts of men from the love of the world and its vanities, and will lii them to the desire of eternal things. Oh, that souls would sanc9fy themselves by this means.The above promise happens when we pray the fifteen decades
How do I pray my Rosary
Focus on each mystery with humility and gratitude and ask Our Lord Jesus thru His immaculate mother for the above grace. Our life is a destination to Jesus lose our way and we lose everything. Millions of years of time on earth is less than a second compared to eternity
I was taught – The Shortness of life , The Nothingness of this life & The length of Eternity
and something I realized be aware and observe protocols about relationship with Our Lord
Communicate with humility in prayer .never tell Him anything.Bring to His kind attention
any challenge in our life for His help. Love His mother and sing her praises
We see St Anthony of the miracle worker carrying the Infant Jesus .I read somewhere Our Lord was very pleased about it and came in infant form to be in the saint’s arms
Our saints wept when they sinned and I marvel small or big sin breaks the Ten Commandments
Our Lord Jesus the great I AM gave to Moses
The 15 decades were given by our blessed mother Mary for us the simple people of the world .She chose 150 Hail Marys to be consistent with the 150 Psalms
The Psalms were for the educated ones who could read and write
Guess why it became a global go to prayer because mothers and others saw the power
of sanctification and other miracles given by Our Lord to His mother’s intercession is most pleasing to Him. Our Lord is omnipotent by nature
Mary is omnipotent by grace by way of intercession given by God.
The book Mystical City of God by Sr. Mary of Agreda 4 volumes ( private revelation ) permitted for us to read will overwhelm us with joy , tears , and holy fear .
Review form Amazon.com
This is the most wonderful, and beautiful book I’ve ever read after the Bible. If you want to know why God has exalted Our Lady to the highest possible degree of glory in heaven, then you will know why after reading this book. No other human creature(Our Lord is not a creature, He is God-Man) has loved,worshiped, and respected God as Most Holy Mary. No other creature has loved Christ as Mary has done . God has received more honor from her than from the whole of creation. She is the masterpiece of the Most Holy Trinity. The most perfect of Christ’s disciples. This book contains counsels given by the virgin Mary to Ven.Mary of Agreda,that we can imitate. I have understood many things. For example, the gospels don’t contradict each other,the evangelists simply omitted what the other writer wrote. St.Matthew spoke about the Magi kings,and St.Luke about the presentation of Jesus and omitted writing about the the there Wise men because St.Matthew had already wrote about them. They knew what each other had written. The Mystical city of God is approved to read by the catholic church,it was placed on the index of forbidden books(like St.Faustina’s diary) because of a mistranslated. The Mystical city of God is the most approved book outside of the Bible in the catholic church. If you don’t believe me, look for information. Mary of Agreda’s body is incorrupt in the convent of agreda in Spain. She was said to have bilocated to New Mexico before the missionaries arrived and she was called the “Lady in blue”,the habit of her order is blue. I don’t understand why she hasn’t been canonized, certainly the devil doesn’t want people to know more about this wonderful gem of a book.
One thing I have noticed in old catholic books these words
the divine MaryI belie the author meant mother of Our Lord why this error was not edited beats me
I’ve begun praying the Rosary more often and find the Luminous Mysteries very challenging. Meditating on the events in Mary’s life is very powerful. But these mysteries are hard for me. One of the events Mary wasn’t present for. And one isn’t “an event” but a gradual revelation over time. (I may be wording that badly, but you know what I mean.) So hard to even try to imagine her experiences of them!
https://youtu.be/jCUV8OuOi5M this video is about traditional vs new rosary. Why the luminous should not be said
The Ten Commandments written by the finger of All Mighty God was changed by the Catholic Church also. Sabbath always was and will be Saturday. We won’t mention the graven images.
The Catholic Church, always has always seen the Sabbath as the seventh day of the week,known as Saturday in the pagan English Language. What are you talking about?
Praying the luminous mysteries breaks up the holy trinity. Why they should not be said. https://youtu.be/jCUV8OuOi5M
If you want the best comparison of the NO modern mass to the beautiful traditional LATIN Mass, obtain a copy of WORK OF HUMAN HANDS, by the recently passed, much beloved, priest, father Anthony Cekada, who was Assistant pastor of St. Gertrude the Great. In West Chester, Ohio. It has received stellar reviews and would be a priceless gift for any priest who is caught up in the modern version of the Catholic Church. I believe it will save many Catholic priests as it becomes more known and read. It is in several languages also., he has written booklets on the subject that also explains the reasons why we should seek to find the parishes where the true traditions are followed, and only the Latin Mass is offered.
The very brave and greatly beloved Bishop, Daniel Dolan is the Pastor and I was very blessed to find the on-line Traditional Mass said several times a day on most days.
If you belong to any of the parishes where the priests have been locked out or hushed up for saying the Latin Mass, please support and protect them. It is inhuman what is happening to them. If you would know the truth of what is happening to our beloved Church, read and listen to Church Militant on the Internet.
God bless all, JMJ
Do Roman catholics pray the 15 mysteries of the rosary
Yes.
I know traditionally, the Luminous Mysteries are not included. But, I love them because as the name indicates, it’s full of Light! For me, it completes the Summary of Jesus Life in the Gospels. Let’s not be too bogged down in too many do’s and don’ts. Our Lady, in many apparitions have added certain prayers according to the needs of the time. Remember, Our Lord didn’t give the Apostles the Creed or the Holy Rosary. We weren’t called Christians until later. There were no deacons until the Greeks complained they were being neglected. The prayer to St. Michael was composed by Pope Gregory the X when he was given the vision by God on the upcoming “Abomination of Desolation/ Iniquity,” the infiltration of the evil Freemasons. The only thing that should never be changed is the liturgy and the altar! These two things were based on the Old Testament as Jesus is the fulfillment of the Old Testament.